Tsumego Hero
  • Sprint Intuition Rejuvenation Refinement
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    kovarex:
    @posetcay: Can you please show which variation you added? It still seems to look like just KO+ (instead of the original KO+2)
    posetcay:
    I added G2-F2-D2-G1-E2, it was marked as wrong before, but I am not sure if that was the variation you were talking about in the other comment.
    15. November 2023
    18:23
    kovarex:
    Also, note that when white answers correctly, the variant leads to the previous problem in this collection.
    15. November 2023
    17:23
    kovarex:
    Less then half a year later, I could transfer this problem to be status based to make it much clearer what is going on. While I was checking this problem out, I discovered several issues: 1) The proper result of this seems to be KO+, and not KO+2, as whites answer in some of the variants was wrong. In this position, white did answer to E2, which leads to the KO+2 indeed, but just taking the stone as in the updated tree, it leads to just the KO+ 2) Some alternative orders of moves or refutations were missing: P.S. If anyone wants to check these chagnes, I will welcome it.
    posetcay:
    Black can still get an advantageous ko with proper order of moves, added the variations.
    15. November 2023
    17:22
    kovarex:
    Yes, but extra local threat has the same value of taking or not taking first. So I think it would be fair to only accept variants with the extra local ko threat.
    d4rkm4tter:
    Sure, this is a KO+2 > KO+ case and we can say, only the KO+2 is correct. I'm starting to like the idea of good solution and best solution.
    14. June 2023
    11:02
    kovarex:
    There is an interesting inconsistency in this problem. KO- is ko where opponent takes first, KO+ is is when I take first, and KO+2 is when Opponent has to add one extra threat and I take first after that anyway. KO- variation is marked wrong, as there is better KO+ variant. But there is also KO+2 variant which is the "same correct" as just the KO+. Shouldn't only the KO+2 be marked correct? The KO+2 is for example: S3, T3, T2, T1, N2, O2, Q2, P2, S1, R1, Q1, N1. Now black takes the ko, and is leftwith the extra local threat at P1. But Playing P1 before Q1 leads to a correct solution, where P1 was already played, and it is basically 1 local ko threat less.
    posetcay:
    It is true that some variations have fewer local threats than others but any ko that attacker takes first is accepted here.
    14. June 2023
    02:32
    semelis:
    After the B17-A17 exchange, A18 can be played before G18 also.
    jhubert:
    Your move has been added.
    12. June 2023
    20:55
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